For the Emperor!

Lol there's that hyperbole

Ignoring reality doesn't make it less true. Certain groups of people or environments are worse than others, acting like that isn't reality is pretty naive.

Long term plans that will fail if you let the system break before those plans have a chance come to light. You're trying to fine tune a system that's in danger of falling apart. We need to make sure the system doesn't fall apart before we can worry about tweaking it.

Candidates should listen to the voters, but we need to be realistic on how and when we can make moves. We need to look at the situation and see how we can best move the needle in the right direction. If you let evil men come into power as a result of your rigid morals than you are actually helping create what you hate most. You want the needle to move all the way to good, you won't take just %10 better, and as a result things may get much worse.

The road to hell is paved with the best intentions had never been more true.

No, they are showing how Trump, a person who never should be president, became the president. It shows that 3rd party voters can impact the outcome but choose not to. It doesn't have to be that way, you can make an impact.

I'm talking about normal comments. Remove politics at all. Both communities have what we can call "conversations about benign things." I've seen more censorship in ml than world in that area.

Then if we do go to politics, I can attack both sides on "home turf" and only receive bans from one side. Sure my user is a .world user, no idea if that factors in. I've just seen a difference in how the two approach similar situations and in don't agree with how ml has handled those. That's really all it is for me. I could be wrong and like I said, if I see world censoring in a way I disagree with I'd treat them just the same.

I don't know if I'd consider myself anarchist. My views don't seem to fit into one of the labels going around very well. I find myself agreeing with parts of multiple stances. And disagreeing with parts of multiple stances, which is where my different experiences with censoring come in.

I'm not saying you're wrong or even that ml is a bad place. I'm just sharing my experience and reasoning for avoiding it. Other may agree or disagree, I'm not the source of truth by any means haha. But I'd really love to see the censorship toned down in general, across the board.

Sure, that may be true. But I've been censored on ml around non political issues on ml and have attacked liberals and leftists on world without being censored. I'm one person, so my experience isn't enough to make a broader claim but others have shared similar experiences.

I don't know how you can read the very clear accounts of censorship I showed you that I *personally* experienced and claim that it doesn't happen on Lemmy.world

I did not say you said it didn't happen on .world. That's not my claim.

I mean, come on.

Edit: this being down voted shows the very problem of group think. I showed facts and quotes to show an obvious contradiction. Gets down voted. They even admitted to misspeaking , yet here we are, it makes me laugh and it's how people are driven away. I see this in ML so much.

I never said it doesn't happen on world. If fact I said I'm not so naive as to think it doesn't happen. See, it's this kind of thing I'm talking about. I never once said world doesn't censor but you put those words in my mouth and try to use it as a talking point. This is a very common experience on ml for me as well.

And it's not me saying things that are for or against any ideology. If a community bans me for saying a fact (not a strong feeling, because the word fact has really been abused) and linking scholarly resources, I won't participate in that community. More so, if they ban me for having a normal conversation, yeah, I'll avoid them. I've argued with liberals many times on world, haven't been banned once. I've even gone a little far I can admit, no ban. I had one comment removed that was a fair call because I was heated, that's it. I've not experienced any of the nonsensical censorship on world. If I do in the future, I'll move away from them as well.

So ml bans and censors people with opposing views, I mean there's the answer right there.

People could be moving away from world, sure. I honestly don't care as I've never seen the extremely heavy handed censor like I've seen in ml. I've not seen posts about people moving like I have with ml but I could be wrong. At the end of the day it doesn't impact me much. I'm just as happy to participate in those communities they move to as well, just not ml because of my numerous poor interactions.

You say world censors more than ml and I appreciate that you have had that experience but it's not what I'm seeing and it doesn't seem to be what others are seeing. Censoring happens, I'm not so naive to think it doesn't. But the things I've been banned for saying in ml, and comments I've had removed that are literally just saying facts with sources is crazy to me.

Also the fact you gotta hide that you're filming your own army and allies should maybe be a clue you're on the wrong side.

You edited the comment before so I put the response in that, seemed silly to copy paste it again lol. But tldr, I may have been extreme is saying it's you, by I've seen people interact with you, myself included, why get censored and banned. I've looked over everything I've said and couldn't find anything ban worthy outside me being a world user and going against what the community thinks.

Right, you're assuming. So why come after me for doing the exact same thing you're doing. Seems like the definition of hypocrisy.

Also I've never been censored on world, but I've been censored on very normal and calm comments on ml dozens of times to the point where I gave up. Everyone has their own experiences but mine seem to line up with the majority which lends a bit more credibility.

Edit to your edit: you may have no mod powers but you are the echo chamber that is being reinforced. I've had interactions with you where you're being very aggressive or sarcastic and I'm sticking to facts. Guess who got banned or comments deleted, me. I mean maybe it's because you're an ml user, but those interactions look very bad from the outside and people are seeing that kind of stuff. Literally look at posts today about how people are moving away from ml.

There was no context given. They didn't say site or community. How do you know it's about overall activity? You seem to be assuming as much as I am.

Also you, you specially are actually big problem in the ml community. I've seen you interact with enough people who all seem to suspiciously be censored.... Hrmmm.... I've also heard plenty of people reference you. You personally have done a lot of damage to the ml community.

Edit: that might have been extreme in calling you out. I won't remove and try to hide it, but I apologize. To clarify, I've seen people who interact with you often been censored, which really discourages conversation, a big part of this platform.

Yes. I've had personal experience, many times, of over the top censorship and bans based on opposing views expressed in a mature and rational way. Once or twice is fine, but I've seen it more there than my entire combined experience online, it's crazy and happens to often to ignore.

I've also seen a crazy amount of trolling there and it seems the trolls are protected through crazy censorship of anyone calling them out. It's just not worth the aggravation.

I mean, it's the ml. People, including myself, have had very bad experiences in ml communities and what I've seen is a general consensus to avoid them. As I type this I even expect it to be removed or at least down voted to hell for daring to say this, as ml does. I can accept the community just isn't for me, but the question was asked.

Lol, fair enough. If you own it and stand by it not much I can say.

Got a high speed e-scooter myself, it has made me build some empathy for the bikers. Cars are crazy.

Wait. So if I say to someone: "You seem very uneducated and unable to understand the most basic of concepts. I'm trying to talk to you and you sound like you've never had an intelligent conversation before. You sound like you've never talked to a person older than 5. I could explain this to my 10 year old and he could teach it to you. Would that be more your speed? You look like you can even begin to understand a single word I'm saying. You're lack of basic reasoning is hurting everyone around you and the world will be a better place when you're no longer in it."

And they say "you're a jerk" they've crossed a line? Not me? Jeeze man, yeah we do have a difference of opions.

You've worn me down. I'll say I disagree with some of your world views but I can apologize and move on. I hate cars more than I hate any single person.